In the wake of the reformation Europe was torn by religious wars for almost two centuries. France had the Huguenot wars, Britain the civil war between king and parliament, and in Germany, there was the 30 year war, which killed one third of the population. My home town was the…
As we enter a new election cycle, here’s a link to the Church’s statement about the Church itself being “neutral” to matters of “party politics,” even as it encourages its membership to be responsible civic citizens and voters. The caveats are that the Church does: Request candidates for office —…
If you feel queezy about homosexuality, my sympathy. We have all been raised in a culture that identifies homosexuality as a defect if not a sin. It would be dishonest if we were to pretend that we can escape our socialization but we can rely on reason for reflection. On…
I’m sad about this, too. The problem is that although this ad with missionaries as home-invading morals police is way over the top it effectively dramatizes the feeling of threat experienced by those whose marriages (!) are being eliminated.
Long term, involvement in Prop. 8 is going to be a PR nightmare for the Church.
Thank, MoHohawaii. It’s a life disaster for me.
Well, the Courage Campaign announced they will be airing this tomorrow on CNN, MSNBC and Comedy Central. Should be intresting.
During day time?
The fact that the church sees itself as a good sport and ads like this one as hitting below the belt is clear evidence that the church is totally incapable of seeing the effects of it’s actions on the lives of people. Hubris. Very sad.
I am not sure what time. I am hoping to see one before I go to work….
I’ve heard about various protests outside of temples in California and Utah because of huge financial support of prop. 8 (members).
This is an issue that people care deeply about.
It’s hard to make the argument – I get to marry who I want, where I want but you do not.
Hellmut: The fact that you think that the Church takes a position on Proposition 8 justifies this kind of bigotry and misrepresentation says a great deal about your blind-spots. Do you really believe the actions of the Church justify this kind of crap and sheer fraud? I call on you to renounce it.
Do you really believe the actions of the Church justify this kind of crap and sheer fraud?
What is “sheer fraud” about this? It is a dramatization of the fact that the LDS church would like to destroy the legal backing of the marriages of couples like the one depicted here. Is that false? Does the church deny actively working to render such marriage licenses invalid?
Now, it’s possible that the Courage Campaign is deliberately trying to play on mistrust of Mormons with this ad. I talked about this in my post here. If the LDS church wants to lay down some ground rules for what’s not okay in terms of playing on people’s fear of minority groups such as gays or Mormons, and the LDS church would itself play fair on this count, then I’d be happy to denounce these guys if they failed to follow the church’s good example of renouncing bigotry. Unfortunately, as it is, the church has taken a strong stand in favor of bigotry. So who are we to contradict the church’s pro-intolerance stance by complaining about this mild (and arguably reasonable) political satire directed at the Mormons?
This ad makes me very sad, Blake. It is unfortunate that it had to come so far.
After we have raised 80% of the funds that enabled the success of Proposition 8, we need not be surprised if we become the target of criticism ourselves.
You are abusing the term bigot. A bigot is somebody who fails to tolerate different religions or belief systems.
An effort to legislate one’s religious views even though it impinges on the liberty of non-believers in the absence of harm constitutes intolerance and therefore bigotry.
A demand for liberty is a demand for tolerance. It does not affect our ability to practice our religion.
To refer to an effort to escape religious imposition as bigoted turns the meaning of the word upside down in an Orwellian fashion.
I’m sad about this, too. The problem is that although this ad with missionaries as home-invading morals police is way over the top it effectively dramatizes the feeling of threat experienced by those whose marriages (!) are being eliminated.
Long term, involvement in Prop. 8 is going to be a PR nightmare for the Church.
Thank, MoHohawaii. It’s a life disaster for me.
Well, the Courage Campaign announced they will be airing this tomorrow on CNN, MSNBC and Comedy Central. Should be intresting.
During day time?
The fact that the church sees itself as a good sport and ads like this one as hitting below the belt is clear evidence that the church is totally incapable of seeing the effects of it’s actions on the lives of people. Hubris. Very sad.
I am not sure what time. I am hoping to see one before I go to work….
I’ve heard about various protests outside of temples in California and Utah because of huge financial support of prop. 8 (members).
This is an issue that people care deeply about.
It’s hard to make the argument – I get to marry who I want, where I want but you do not.
Hellmut: The fact that you think that the Church takes a position on Proposition 8 justifies this kind of bigotry and misrepresentation says a great deal about your blind-spots. Do you really believe the actions of the Church justify this kind of crap and sheer fraud? I call on you to renounce it.
What is “sheer fraud” about this? It is a dramatization of the fact that the LDS church would like to destroy the legal backing of the marriages of couples like the one depicted here. Is that false? Does the church deny actively working to render such marriage licenses invalid?
Now, it’s possible that the Courage Campaign is deliberately trying to play on mistrust of Mormons with this ad. I talked about this in my post here. If the LDS church wants to lay down some ground rules for what’s not okay in terms of playing on people’s fear of minority groups such as gays or Mormons, and the LDS church would itself play fair on this count, then I’d be happy to denounce these guys if they failed to follow the church’s good example of renouncing bigotry. Unfortunately, as it is, the church has taken a strong stand in favor of bigotry. So who are we to contradict the church’s pro-intolerance stance by complaining about this mild (and arguably reasonable) political satire directed at the Mormons?
This ad makes me very sad, Blake. It is unfortunate that it had to come so far.
After we have raised 80% of the funds that enabled the success of Proposition 8, we need not be surprised if we become the target of criticism ourselves.
You are abusing the term bigot. A bigot is somebody who fails to tolerate different religions or belief systems.
An effort to legislate one’s religious views even though it impinges on the liberty of non-believers in the absence of harm constitutes intolerance and therefore bigotry.
A demand for liberty is a demand for tolerance. It does not affect our ability to practice our religion.
To refer to an effort to escape religious imposition as bigoted turns the meaning of the word upside down in an Orwellian fashion.