Announcing the inaugural recipient of the Deseret Dingleberry award: Mark Paredes

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1. While I felt the Deseret News taxonomy of unbelievers was insulting and condescending, it’s nothing compared to Mark’s treatment of Judaism:

   As a member of one of the fastest-growing faiths who wishes to see more Jews become active in their communities, I humbly offer several suggestions for making liberal Judaism more relevant and meaningful to people who are voting with their feet to abandon organized Judaism.

   etc.

   And that brings me to another odd thing that struck me about his remark:

   Regular readers will note that comments from anti-Mormon bigots have been deleted from this site. I figure that if they have something to say to Jews, they can get their own blog.

   Mark has demonstrated (through deleting your comment) that his loaded language above is a pre-emptive excuse to delete disagreement. And if he wants to insult the Jews, far be it from me to meddle. But I can’t help but think some Jews themselves might find his article objectionable. They’re people too, not just a target for people to preach at from their various blogs.

   You know I am not terribly inclined to pass out booby prizes from MSP (in keeping with our policy of civil discourse). Yet this guy in particular has actively opted out of even the pretense of two-way discussion….

2. Wow, there’s a stunning amount of arrogance in his post. “You’re irrelevant. So be like me instead.” Everybody knows *something* about Jewish culture, but there are just as many Mormons in the world as there are Jews (at least on paper, and thanks to the holocaust) and a lot of people don’t the difference between us and the Amish, if they’ve even heard of us. So who’s more relevant?

   And then there’s this:

   Here a word must be said about preaching (usually liberal) politics from the pulpit in the prophetic tradition. When LDS prophets speak, millions of people hear what they have to say. Almost all of their talks deal with how to become closer to God and to others, and they do not preach politics from the pulpit (though they do preach morality).

   WTH??? Liberal politics are just as much about morality as conservative politics are. You know, love your neighbor, take care of the poor, all that sort of wickedness. At least when you stop thinking “morality” is all about sex.

3. P.S. I’ve taken this discussion to r/judaism and I expect we’ll collect a few interesting comments there.

   At the end of the day, I suppose this is less about Mormon-Jewish dialogue and more about Mark being incapable of sustaining his argument without the crutch of bogus Mormon growth numbers.

4. Yeah, I’ve seen this guy’s advice-to-Jews column before. I always found it a bit presumptuous to be perfectly honest. Every time I glance over his stuff, I ask “who made you consultant for Judaism?”

5. Chino — Haha, that is too funny over on r/judaism — inasmuch as anyone there is interested at all, they’re simply discussing whether or not it is good advice. And here I was so sure they’d be offended!

   With a TBM writing this obliviously arrogant piece in the first place, and the exmos swooping in to call him a dingleberry for it, I can’t help but think this helps to answer that eternal question: Why do people like the Jews and dislike the Mormons? I think Nate Oman has some good answers in his his article, but he doesn’t quite capture the whole problem… 😉

6. Chanson — If my antics strike you as symptomatic of a problem that Nate’s post neglected to mention, please, spell it out. 😉

   In the meantime, maybe it’s just my knee-jerk Mormon cultural cringe, but all I’m saying is — when David Archuleta and the MoTab are the best answer we’ve got — we might do well to stop touting ourselves and allow a moment to appreciate Leonard Bernstein and Markus Baur.

   ETA: By the way, if you’ve got kids, this is an amazing box set.

7. Speaking of Leonard Bernstein, did you ever feel you wanted something more than anything else in the world?

   But finally something breaks in your head, and you cry.

   Pretty emotional stuff, isn’t it?

8. Chino — Nah, just playful banter.

   Actually, when it comes to criticism, there was a really interesting and relevant recently on A Motley Vision:

   Spencer W. Kimballs The Gospel Vision of the Arts is admittedly ubiquitous in discussions of Mormon art and media, and it is usually cited for his predictions of remarkable future accomplishments, for instance that Mormon-themed masterpieces should run for months in every movie theater, cover every part of the globe in the tongue of the people, written by great artists, purified by the best critics. But while LDS filmmakers, in this case, have reason to rejoice in this prophetic benediction, it is my firm belief that the most important point is the final one, that the best critics must purify our films and, by extension, other media.

   And not necessarily just in the arts. When criticism is warranted, it is generally beneficial. (i.e. On some level I feel like the faithful ought to appreciate their loyal opposition, even if I know they never will. 😉 )

9. p.s. Those are amazing pieces!

10. Prophecy, fulfilled.

11. Paredes writes:

    Not long ago I ran into one of the most well-known figures in the LA Jewish community, a man who is probably on a first-name basis with every major community leader and rabbi. I told him that I had visited many synagogues, but had yet to find one with a spiritual service.

    How arrogant. As an exmo atheist with a Jewish wife, daughters, and grandson, I regularly attend the tiny reform temple in our small town. The services there are regularly “more spiritual” than any Mormon services I attended.

    Paredes reminds be of Brother Boehner, the regional representative who’d often speak at our stake conferences. Boehner always professed a great love for the Jewish people, usually after condemning their wickedness for killing our savior.

12. You know, as it turns out, we’re having a decent discussion over at r/judaism.

    Here’s the link:

    http://www.reddit.com/r/Judaism/comments/frsjo/mormon_blogger_offers_free_advice_to_his_jewish/

13. Mormon Times responds: http://www.mormontimes.com/article/19849/Bloggers-trumpet-bond-between-Mormons-and-Jews

14. Sorry for missing this post. I always appreciate it when people use good demographic figures. Thanks, Chino!

    By the way, some 4,000 people have read the analysis now, not too shabby for an academic exercise.